This message is for deaf people in California. You were told that AB 2072 was a bad bill. It’s a typical response coming from a closed society filled with people who simply do not know how to compete in this world. Instead, they shoot down the things they do not understand or saw as a threat. In reality, this bill is a darn good bill. I saw it as an excellent opportunity to tell the world what we wanted them to know about our language and culture. I simply don’t understand why some of your so-called leaders fumbled on this one. It’s probably high time they were replaced..
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Wow, seems like you’re a pragmatic guy!
It’ll be a turkey shoot this time. The facts are the good bullets to use against the sitting ducks of deaf culture ideology.
I’m curious…what is your view on audism?
@theHolism Whew! I have energy back. I guess I forgot to sleep. Lol. Yes, I agree on that. Believe me, pharmacy companies overcharge us. They charge a prescription pills to farmers for a sheep’s heart worm 100 times cheaper than they charge the same pill to us for something I forgot. If you’re interested, you can research. I’m not very excellent with google search like which I should type “overcharge pills”, “pharmacy companies overcharge us”, or whatever.
@theHolism It’s nice to know that you won’t take a penny for that. Just a few comments were missing. Maybe I’m mistaken. I didn’t count my comments. Yes, they see us as medical term. Deaf can be hereditary. It’s not recessive nor dominant gene. As for infection, we need that once in a while to strengthen our immune system. I learned at biology 101 that if you use antibacterial soap excessively, your immune system will be weaken. I don’t care for that. I just concern about CI.
@Salticid68 Ha ha… I would not take a pretty penny for anything that has to do with deafness. Never have and never will. It’s a cause I find worthy to review, discuss, debate and fight for. Not about money for me. Not at all. I’m sure there were some unfortunate incidents but there are many different factors that could cause it, including infections. I’m not a doctor so I don’t pass judgement on anything.
@Salticid68 It’s just that ASL is not as big of a money making machine as CI is but it’s not their fault. Medical technology is expensive no matter what it is. CI is no different. God bless you as well.
@Salticid68 As far as I know I’ve not rejected any of your comments. Forgive me if I’m mistaken. I do reject some comments that did not reflect healthy discussion and may have mistaken that one for somebody else. I respectfully disagree about AB 2073 and how it represses ASL. I do not see CI as a profit venture but somebody has to get paid for developing such technology and installing them just like people in the ASL industry get paid for teaching publishing, selling and teaching ASL.
Well, I don’t have as much energy and ambition as yours. I may be quick to assume, but it seems that you don’t include all of my comments here. The point is that AB 2072 represses ASL rather than gives the parents of deaf children the truth. Just in case if you make profit from CI industries, you’ll have a guilty conscious later on. You won’t want that. If I’m wrong, then my apology. I just know that I’m not wrong about ASL. Nice to know you. God bless you.
@theHolism Wow, I find that strange. Maybe it’s your fate to meet or see happy CI users and my fate unhappy CI users. Or an extremely coincidence? I think CI industries should pay you well for advertising CI. I don’t meet many people lately, but I happen to come across a CI user, who worked at a store. His face was too grotesque that much it really scared me and hard for me to focus on his face. I think plenty of CI users are at Gally. You can break your fate to see them there.
@Salticid68 I agree with you about many hearing people who do not write or read well but they do not lack spoken English language for it is their first language. That is for sure. They do not need to build a bridge to fit into the majority since everybody over there can speak. We are the one that have to build a bridge to connect with that world therefore We need to encourage ASL people to build that bridge and not become too comfortable in ASL and stay there.
@theHolism I’m surprised that many deaf ppl, who you know, don’t use ASL as a bridge to expand into the next level. I thought it was the other way. I grew up with either oral English teachers or English teachers using with SEE or bad ASL, my English was too terrible as a senior in h.s. My English skill was jumped up a few levels in only two years at Gally when I had Deaf English professors using ASL. It’s stereotype that ASL ppl don’t read well. I know many hearing ppl don’t write or read well.
@Salticid68 This is where we’ll have to agree to disagree. I do not see them as ‘forcing’ deaf children against their will. They see it as a medical issue therefore as in any medical field they’re always going to try and help the situation. Do I see the parents as selfish. No I don’t. Really, I don’t. Instead I see the big “D” deaf people as selfish because they are more worried about keeping their closed society intact. That’s how I see it.
@theHolism Yes, I totally agree with you. I don’t speak or assumer things for the parents of deaf children. We show them what work best for the deaf children. You were talking about force. That’s my point. I was saying that they force deaf children against their will. Can’t you see that parents are being selfish? If not, they have been withheld from the truth. They’re too greedy to tell the truth. Do you get the whole picture yet?
@Salticid68 Yeah. I hear stuff like this all the time but seen it directly. Always hear rumors like this all over the map but never see them in person. The only people I see in person are happy CI users. And I meet a lot of them, hear from them often due to my stance on DVTV. They know I’m there for them so they come forward in great numbers. Not one complained about CI. For that reason, I don’t know how credible these rumors are and won’t know until the numbers begin to show up.
@theHolism I don’t know anyone, except for a few hearing-minded ones, choose not to use ASL. Yes, I agree it’s their rights to decide. They’re welcome to use any other language. It’s free. There are many deaf adults had their CIs removed. It is very painful procedure and very costly. Yes, newer CI is better, but it’s not painless yet. My own former friend. whose parents are wealthy. had a best CI surgeon. His facial expression was partially damaged and still has mild headache.
@Salticid68 Forcing babies to get CI is not an issue here. It’s a silly argument that’s been used again and again. Simply put. The baby does not have the ability to understand the ramifications of these options therefore they are not capable of rejecting or accepting anything. Therefore the parents steps in and do what they think is best for their child. They meant well and you can’t deny that.
@Salticid68 I am not saying that they are wrong for sticking with ASL. I’m saying many deaf people I know simply do not use ASL as a bridge to expand into the next level. They simply stay there because it’s too comfortable. Read many ASL people’s letters / responses to the politicians and you’ll see why they do not think highly of ASL. The recent opposition against the bill is one example. It only told the legislatures one thing. These so-called ASL people can’t seem to read too well.
@theHolism Yes, you’re right that many stick with ASL. It’s b/c it’s the language they can communicate with as ASL is a visual language and they’re deaf. It’s untrue that ASL users don’t expand themselves to learn English. Researchers have repeatedly shown proof that Deaf students understand English better & faster through ASL. As you can see here that my English is fine. It’s not that we glue to or stuck in ASL. It’s such a language. So, you’re okay with forcing babies against their will?
@Salticid68 One thing is clear. Some of you try to speak for the parents of deaf children. Don’t speak for them. Don’t assume things for them. Instead, educate them. It takes patience and time to educate them. Forcing them to see things your way will never work. ASL is easier to learn. No doubt about that. I agree. But again we can’t speak for others and decide what’s easier for them. Some find no problem learning how to speak just as some find no problem learning ASL. We’re all different.
@Salticid68 There is risk in everything, including ASL. If you observed many deaf people who used ASL are still stuck in ASL and do not expand themselves to learn English language simply because ASL is too convenient and easy for them. I know many deaf people who are sto glued into ASL that they don’t bother learning English language. Risk free? No such thing. But can’t argue against the fact that CI has gotten so much better. CI works best when exposed to babies earlier than later.
Parents of deaf children who don’t learn sign language and force them to be trained in oral. For average deaf and hearing people, learning ASL is easier and more successful than learning oral. Don’t you think that parents of deaf children are selfish?
I realized I wasn’t paying attention to every words. My apology. I see your point that newer CI are better. However, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still risky. There are many ways to accommodate a deaf child w/o CI. So, why is it okay to gamble deaf babies’ lives? Who gives them right or privilege to murder us? Why can’t I murder audists? Under ADA law, it’s illegal to force a child with equipment against his/her will. Why don’t they wait for them to become 18 yrs old & let them decide?
@Salticid68 ASL is for everybody but not everybody want to use it. I know many people who know ASL but choose not to use it and it is their rights to decide. I also know many CI people and they don’t complain of headache and pain. Headache, pain and low success rate? You must be talking about old technology they used but CI has gotten so much better today, painless and almost risk free if not totally.
@theHolism Oh, please! I didn’t intend to use fear factor. I thought ASL is for every deaf ppl, because it’s a visual language. I am sorry you think it’s okay to gamble with our lives. That hurts me. Life is too valuable. What about pain? Most (not all) users have very bad headaches. What about low successful rate?